Michael Barbaro

You say, ICE agents, you have your job to do, but please do it lawfully.

And at the same time, to members of the community.

But you seem to kind of know that something awful was coming.

And when you found out that it was true, that there was a shooting involving an ICE agent, what was your first thought?

For George Floyd all over again.

We'll be right back.

So I understand that an investigation is still underway of what happened in this shooting, and we don't know exactly what that investigation is going to look like or what it's going to conclude.

And we'll talk in just a few moments about the conflict arising from the investigation over whose investigation it should be.

But just to focus for a minute on the shooting itself, have you watched the videos?

What is your understanding of how this unfolded?

Having watched the videos and spoken perhaps to responding officers, does this strike you as a lawful interaction between the ICE officer and the resident?

Well, let's talk about that.

You mentioned training.

My sense is that there are some pretty universal rules around policing when it comes to a motorist in a running car.

So in your mind, that's a flag, that you have this ICE agent, the one who ends up shooting Renee Good, standing in front of her car.

We're focusing here on the ICE officers.

I do want to ask you about the driver's decision-making in this moment.

Her refusal to get out of the car, even after ICE agents demand that she get out of the car.

Her reversing, then driving forward.

She appears to disobey spoken orders from these officers.