Michael Barbaro

In fact, the texts of the 14th Amendment and her telling undermines your case.

And what is Sauer's response?

I would first cite Wong Kim Ark on that point because Wong Kim Ark says you're... Well, I'm not sure how much you want to rely on Wong Kim Ark.

But there is a statement in there that says, so long as they are permitted to be here.

This exchange really does seem to capture the tricky spot that the Trump administration is in here because one of the biggest arguments it's presenting to these justices is this idea that a decades-old Supreme Court ruling that, as you said, broadly affirms birthright citizenship as a universal principle, that somehow underpins the administration's case that birthright citizenship shouldn't apply to illegal immigrants.

And...

A Trump appointee to the Supreme Court is saying, be careful here because you're kind of turning yourself into a legal pretzel.

We'll be right back.

...with Alan Gessen.

And I wouldn't even call my cousin Alan an upstanding citizen.

You know, my clients are cartel-level guys.

They're all badasses.

They... But it's one thing to know... There's a more permanent way to do it.

Is there?

Yeah.

So, Anne, walk us through the argument put forth by the other side of this case, the lawyer challenging President Trump's executive order on birthright citizenship.

Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the court.

Ask any American what our citizenship rule is, and they'll tell you.

Everyone born here is a citizen alike.

That rule was enshrined in the 14th Amendment to put it out of the reach of any government official to destroy.