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Michael Barbaro

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The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

A state would, in theory, kill for this kind of economic activity.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

And I know, because you said so at the beginning of our conversation, Peter, that this story is about to take a complicated twist.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

But so far, it really does feel worth saying that this is a fable of what's possible in an American system that's not known for getting big domestic manufacturing projects of any kind done.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

We'll be right back.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

So, Peter, after all of this promise and achievement in the story, what starts to go wrong with the construction of this set of factories after the groundbreaking?

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

There's no code on page 25 of the local zoning manual that says when building a chip factory here in the desert, this is the lighting system.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

And just to be clear, when we say that this company is writing these rules.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

They're helping write rules that will then be drafted, adopted by local government.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

Okay, so that is the first of what I imagine are many headaches.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

So how does the company deal with that?

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

be American jobs.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

So on top of all the tensions about rules, there are these cultural tensions, right?

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

being revealed between an international company trying to do this hard thing and a group of local American workers who are chafing at all that represents.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

Mm-hmm.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

And of course, we haven't even gotten to the idea that there are neighbors to this vast complex who no doubt, because this is the United States, have some questions and concerns.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

So an ancillary building nearby.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

In the course of reporting on all of these disputes and tensions, I'm curious where you found your sympathies lying.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

Is it with a company that says, look, we're just trying to fulfill America's

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

pledge to have insurance against the worst-case scenarios.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

We're just trying to build a factory in the U.S.