Michael Barbaro

And why does that first vaccine matter? Relative to a booster, which I'm guessing matters potentially a little bit less.

Got it. And why would the CDC suddenly not recommend that first, I guess some people call it primary vaccination against COVID for a child? I know you're saying that they might later clarify, but if the thinking right now is that they're not recommending that, why wouldn't they recommend that?

Got it. And why would the CDC suddenly not recommend that first, I guess some people call it primary vaccination against COVID for a child? I know you're saying that they might later clarify, but if the thinking right now is that they're not recommending that, why wouldn't they recommend that?

And is there any risk to those very young kids from getting the vaccine that we have learned about since the vaccine was authorized that might lie behind this new recommendation?

And is there any risk to those very young kids from getting the vaccine that we have learned about since the vaccine was authorized that might lie behind this new recommendation?

So the argument would simply seem to be that it's not helping enough people to be worth children getting this vaccine, and the risk isn't high enough. So why do it? Correct. So what's going to happen to a parent who wants to give their kid a vaccine for all the reasons you just suggested?

So the argument would simply seem to be that it's not helping enough people to be worth children getting this vaccine, and the risk isn't high enough. So why do it? Correct. So what's going to happen to a parent who wants to give their kid a vaccine for all the reasons you just suggested?

They're going to go to their pediatrician, presumably, and say, I know that recommendation has changed, but I would still like my kid to get this vaccine. What is going to be the likely response?

They're going to go to their pediatrician, presumably, and say, I know that recommendation has changed, but I would still like my kid to get this vaccine. What is going to be the likely response?

Hard, not impossible, but hard. Let's turn to pregnant women. What do we understand motivated this change in recommendations?

Hard, not impossible, but hard. Let's turn to pregnant women. What do we understand motivated this change in recommendations?

You had suggested earlier that children under the age of six months who have never been eligible for a COVID vaccine have acquired immunity from their moms getting the vaccine, I suppose in utero, essentially, right? So what now do we think happens if that recommendation is gone to babies between the ages of birth and six months old?

You had suggested earlier that children under the age of six months who have never been eligible for a COVID vaccine have acquired immunity from their moms getting the vaccine, I suppose in utero, essentially, right? So what now do we think happens if that recommendation is gone to babies between the ages of birth and six months old?

What has been the reaction from the doctors who treat pregnant women?

What has been the reaction from the doctors who treat pregnant women?

We'll be right back. Apoorva, you started to hint at this at the beginning of our conversation, but I think we really need to understand how Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and the Trump administration went around the normal procedures for announcing a change like this, of this scale.

We'll be right back. Apoorva, you started to hint at this at the beginning of our conversation, but I think we really need to understand how Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and the Trump administration went around the normal procedures for announcing a change like this, of this scale.

Hmm.

Hmm.

Right. A kind of a case is made, data is assembled, votes are taken kind of thing.