Michael Barbaro

And I want to quickly summarize those reforms that you all ask for.

You ask for there to be warrants when these agents come to make arrests or to go to a house or a business.

You ask that agents' IDs be visible.

You ask that they no longer wear masks.

And I wonder why you all decide that those are the reforms that if you don't get, you will hold up DHS funding.

How you arrive at that negotiation tactic, essentially.

That you now want federal immigration agents to use as well.

So late last week, having not gotten any of these requests granted to you by the administration, by DHS, you and your Democratic colleagues in the Senate, you cast a vote to block funding to the agency.

And you know this well because you talked about the previous shutdown over healthcare.

Shutdowns involve a lot of pain, a lot of unintended pain.

Workers don't get paid, but a lot of them have to work anyway.

So services become strained.

In the case of DHS, that means services like

airport security, TSA, cybersecurity, FEMA, Coast Guard.

And you all have made a decision that you know will probably cause some of that unintended pain.

And I want to know why you think it's worth it to do this.

Well, Senator, we're going to take a break.

And when we come back, I want to engage with the challenges that Democrats, including you, may face in explaining what this shutdown is and what it isn't to the public.

We'll be right back.

Senator, I want to turn now to a fundamental challenge for you and your party when it comes to this shutdown of DHS.