Michael Barbaro

How does it complicate your policing?

I mean, you've been talking around this, and I think we should just make this extremely explicit, that you come to the job of being police chief in Minneapolis at a very specific moment with a very specific purpose.

You arrived just two years after a Minneapolis police officer murdered George Floyd at a moment of extremely low morale for the department and really high levels of distrust of the police department by the community.

And when you took this job, I went back and looked at the old clips.

You called Minneapolis ground zero for a global reckoning on policing, and you –

in the job, put in place sweeping reforms to try to rebuild trust, repair relationships between police and residents.

Just give us a couple examples of the reforms you put in place and that presumably are now being somewhat challenged by ISIS presence.

And from what you're saying, suddenly, as of a few weeks ago, all of that work

is confronted with an outside group of federal law enforcement officials arriving in your city, doing police work, but who don't answer to you and are not as inevitably invested in the reform efforts that you have put in place.

They have a totally different mandate.

And it sounds like you're saying all of a sudden that is just immediately overshadowing, challenging, complicating this entire project that you have overtaken as police chief.

It feels like as the weeks went on here,

that residents are taking it upon themselves to monitor ICE agents and their activity.

Minneapolis, this is not a secret, pretty liberal city.

And there are...

Residents who organize themselves in this period into groups, they're shadowing ICE agents, they're texting each other, they're blowing whistles.

And it's amounting to a pretty meaningful effort to counter their enforcement operations.

I don't know if you quibble with that word.

Does that become its own problem?

And did you find yourself wishing that the residents were not doing that?