Michael Barbaro

Well, from a crime perspective, was anything the president was saying true?

You're drawing a distinction between fraud and kind of traditional street crime.

But you're acknowledging that there's some level of fraud occurring perhaps in this community.

Perhaps that's what the president is referring to.

Yes.

In your mind, that's distinct from perhaps the crime that you and your officers are dealing with day in and day out.

Got it.

So in your mind, was this planned deployment, specifically of ICE agents that the president asked for, was it warranted?

So it sounds like for you, it's not the fact of ICE coming that is the issue.

It's the way that ICE came.

So let's talk about that.

So

The president makes his case that immigration enforcement should be happening on a larger scale in Minneapolis.

And in early December, he makes it happen.

How did the operations of these ICE agents work?

And how did it start to affect the police department that you run?

What changed?

I mean, you're hinting that their tactics are different.

Wait, wait, so ICE officials are taking someone out of their car, arresting them, and their car is not even put in park.

And how does that sudden influx of 911 calls, because people are experiencing ICE tactics, affect the department as a whole?