Michael Barbaro

What you're describing clearly sounds like a pretty combustible combination.

You've got ICE agents who are operating with their own systems and set of rules, and then you have these residents, in your words, operating their First Amendment right, to surround them, to monitor them, to scream at them.

And this is adding up to, clearly, a very delicate situation.

And there's a moment that I want to ask you about because it felt—

oddly prescient, where within the last week or so, you stand up at a news conference and you say, basically, I am worried.

I do have an ask that's both for federal law enforcement.

You say, ICE agents, you have your job to do, but please do it lawfully.

And at the same time, to members of the community.

But you seem to kind of know that something awful was coming.

And when you found out that it was true, that there was a shooting involving an ICE agent, what was your first thought?

For George Floyd all over again.

We'll be right back.

So I understand that an investigation is still underway of what happened in this shooting, and we don't know exactly what that investigation is going to look like or what it's going to conclude.

And we'll talk in just a few moments about the conflict arising from the investigation over whose investigation it should be.

But just to focus for a minute on the shooting itself, have you watched the videos?

What is your understanding of how this unfolded?

Having watched the videos and spoken perhaps to responding officers, does this strike you as a lawful interaction between the ICE officer and the resident?

Well, let's talk about that.

You mentioned training.

My sense is that there are some pretty universal rules around policing when it comes to a motorist in a running car.