Michael Barbaro

A mutiny that was started by these four House Republicans became kind of a movement against Trump that forced him to recognize that this time, congressional Republicans were going to be the ones calling the shots.

And in that sense, it does kind of feel...

like a real ground-shifting moment, a real before and after moment in this administration.

Thank you.

After the break, a conversation with one of the four House Republicans who forced the president to cave.

We'll be right back.

So a couple of minutes ago, I texted Congressman Massey and said, you don't know me, but I would really like to talk to you about your role in all of this.

And I invoked our colleague Katie Edmondson, a Times congressional reporter who knows the Congressman and has his respect.

And he just texted back and said, can you meet at Cannon Rotunda in the next 15 minutes?

And so we're now walking underground from the Capitol to the Cannon office building to talk to Congressman Massey about his role in this very big vote.

Do you guys know what floor the Cannon Rotunda is on?

Two.

No, it's three.

It's three.

Thank you.

Thank you.

You too.

Okay.

Cannon Rotunda.

Okay.