Michael Barbaro

Right.

And in a way that seemed kind of impossible, perhaps, to go back from?

Wow, so the estate gets this documentary that has gripped the nation, that Oprah is talking about on her show, taken off of HBO and basically removed from circulation.

Okay, well, what's the second prong of the strategy?

And so what does the Estates plan to make this biopic do the work that you just described and be the ultimate reset of the Michael Jackson brand?

Hmm.

So this original script very much portrays Michael Jackson as the victim of greedy, opportunistic parents.

But that was not the movie that ultimately lands in theaters.

Wow.

Old legal clauses.

Big theme of this conversation.

So what does the final version of this biopic have to say about

about these accusations and about this enormous chapter of Michael Jackson's life.

What did you like about it?

And what did you feel when you watched it?

But to state the obvious, Mark, and I say this with no malice, you've reported on the rehabilitation project of Michael Jackson, and you understand it better than anyone.

And then... It still kind of worked on me.

Mark, I want to talk about how we should think about

this movie's success.

Because at the end of the day, I'm not breaking any news here, it is about as sanitized a version of the Michael Jackson story as one could possibly fathom.