Michael Barbaro

OK, so we're going to take a break.

When we come back, we're going to talk through the final element of the president's rough week, which very much does involve Congress.

And that is the increasingly dire dynamics surrounding the government shutdown and the possibility of airline Armageddon.

We'll be right back.

Okay, we're back.

Lisa, Julie, Tyler, welcome back.

It hasn't been that long, but so good to see you still here.

The final way in which this week has proven so taxing for President Trump is that the shutdown moved into even darker territory because after hurting hundreds of thousands of government workers who weren't getting paid and...

millions of Americans who rely on food stamps, the shutdown is now about to hit millions of people who don't have that close a relationship to the government, who just want to get on a plane and fly.

We just got a list of 40 airports that the administration says have to cut flights by 10% each.

Tyler, first to you, what is that really about?

Is it about safety?

Or is it about the president and those around him deliberately

trying to deepen the crisis of the shutdown to try to end it.

Julie, is this the 20th time we ask you to explain the filibuster?

And why are they dug in?

Because that's another notable rebuke of Trump in this past week or so.

Now, you're saying you don't think it will be the thing.

Well, but here's the riddle, right?

The last batch of polling that I looked at, correct me if you've seen more recent polling, is that most Americans are still blaming the shutdown on Republicans and on Trump.