Michael Barbaro

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I'm Michael Barbaro.

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Hey, it's Michael.

This week, The Daily is revisiting some of our favorite episodes this year, listening back and hearing what's happened in the time since they first ran.

Today, we return to our conversation with Thomas Sipp, the lawyer who quit his job at a prestigious corporate law firm after his bosses gave in to legally dubious demands from President Trump.

And we hear how Sipp views that moment now, eight months later.

It's Monday, December 29th.

Thomas, welcome to The Daily.

Thanks for having me.

I'm getting the small sense that this is a nerve-wracking experience for you even before it started.

I'm just seeing it on your face.

Yeah, it definitely is.

I want to start...

By asking you to explain, Thomas, how it is that you came to be a lawyer in the first place and ended up at this very prestigious firm where you worked until just a few days ago, Skadden Arps.

What's that story?

Wow.

And when you say this project, what do you mean?