Michael Bavaro

They seem modest, but they're there.

Right, because suddenly these immigration officials have killed two American citizens in what clearly has emerged as a problematic pattern that everyone in the country can see for themselves.

That's right, Michael.

So after Alex Preddy's death, what was a good enough compromise before is no longer good enough.

That's right.

It's not like we can't pass 96% of those budgets right now and then just work on the Homeland Security one, which we need to address.

And what are the new restrictions that these Democrats start to demand in order to ever agree to fund the Department of Homeland Security?

And both of those efforts would seem to very much be pointed at accountability, transparency.

An agent's face is visible.

An agent's name is visible.

So that's what they're really pushing for.

Mr. Lyons, will you apologize to the family of Rene Good for being called a domestic terrorist by the president and his leadership?

No, sir.

Why not?

Which I think brings us to Thursday afternoon and this all but assured shutdown and the reality that congressional Democrats at this point are no longer just picking a fight over the budget and how DHS gets funded.

They're making this much broader party-wide point about what they see as the excesses of immigration enforcement, its unaccountability, and their belief that they are the last line of defense in terms of doing something about it.

So, Michael, just explain how and why taking away the Department of Homeland Security's funding isn't actually going to defund the agencies that the Democrats are most focused on, like ICE and Border Patrol.

That's a lot of money.

So the Trump administration expects that the funding from the one big beautiful bill, as they call it, will somehow or other keep immigration enforcement officers paid, keep operations going.

So if defunding DHS isn't going to end up hurting agencies like ICE, what would defunding it actually end up defunding?