Michael Collins

That's the basics and that's what's happening here.

And what did this government and the previous government do?

Instead of helping people, they started putting more taxes, taxes, taxes.

Instead of encouraging people to go solar, I look at... But I just don't see how you get from that to burning coal again.

At the end of the day, it's oil that's running money point at this present time.

So we are back to external countries basically to keep Ireland running.

And if that tap closes, coming in from Moffat and Scotland or wherever it's coming from, and last week the Taoiseach was talking about bringing gas in from France.

If them taps close, we're in serious trouble in this country.

When we could provide it ourselves, it's different if we couldn't, but we are in a situation where we can provide energy independence ourselves until, and let this, like I've been constantly saying, let the country go, give the license to the operators to, we'll say,

drill for oil in Barryrow and they paid in.

The profits from that would pay for the renewables that this country should have in place many, many years ago and unfortunately hasn't.

Absolutely.

We have no choice.

It's a different thing if we had, and I feel awesome about this, we are in a desperate situation in this country.

We're totally dependent on what happens in other countries when we could have more control over what's happening in our own country.

And so is the blind eye.

We're quite happy to bring in things in the back door from other countries as long as it looks as if we're not doing what the real experts that haven't put the renewables in place, as long as we're not doing that, they're quite happy to run along.

The Irish Academy of Engineers are experts.

It's not Michael Collins calling for this.

It's not Independent Ireland calling for this.