Michael Cooney

And I have one in the USA as well.

So combined, we were less than 2 million.

We're probably about 1.5 million.

The agency in the USA, I just still manage about a handful of clients and I sort of dog food our WhatConverts product with them.

And then South African agency is still running.

They're about a team of 20.

So I think I covered everything.

Anyway, so that's the reason we decided to bootstrap, because we were still getting some funding from the agency, and we could build it out at the same time.

We also wanted the optionality.

We didn't want investors getting involved and controlling how we develop things.

So we just want to stay focused on sorting the problem we had.

And then the other thing is we want to grow value before we got funding.

So the reason for this is people say to you, do you want a tiny piece of a huge pie, or do you want the whole pie?

Well, we're like, well, we want the whole pie.

And when it comes to the stage, we want a huge piece of the huge pie.

Yeah.

Okay.

So when do you decide how you can skip funding?

So bootstrap versus funding.

And I'll put it into three distinct buckets.