Michael Knowles

And you need to remove those gigantic systemic flaws because Medicaid has turned into a gigantic fraud program that is not helping the people it was set out to help and many of the people who set out to help.

don't actually need the help of Medicaid because, again, depending on where you are, you're talking about people who are many times over the actual poverty line who are receiving aid from the federal government.

If you don't have a program on the Republican side to actually go small, this is why big government conservatism is never going to last very long.

You'll have spates of it in reaction to even bigger government liberalism, but I think that at a certain point, I know it's controversial, and I know it's falling out of fashion.

At some point, conservatives may have to argue again for smaller government, not just quote-unquote more efficient government.

Well, I mean, I think that's true, Michael.

I also think that's why, if we're asking why this is not a liver issue, the answer is if people see government programs in terms of here's the choices, either we police fraud and maybe my program goes away or we don't police fraud and my program stays, then people are going to tend toward, okay, whatever, man.

Like, okay, so that, yeah, that guy built the program, but I did get my Medicaid check.

So, you know, as long as we're spending-

Exactly.

I mean, like that, that attitude is quite prevalent.

But I think that it means that it's never going to be the livest issue until you get back.

So that's fine.

You can have a big government conservatism that doesn't make fraud, waste and abuse a live issue.

But I think it's very difficult to say waste, fraud and abuse are a giant issue for us.

Also, we are not touching any of the social welfare programs because they're just too important, by the way.

Kalshi has the chances on anybody being prosecuted in Minnesota, the child care fraud scandal.

And I believe that the chances right now, it's a little small here.

What do we have that at?

60%?