Michael Knowles

Something like that?

That there will be a...

Yeah, there you go.

Seventy seven percent of people believe that somebody will be charged in the Minnesota daycare fraud scam.

OK, that sounds about right to me.

I'm sure somebody will be charged there.

Yeah.

Mary Margaret, you know, when when you're walking around the White House and obviously the vice president is very, very focused on digging up these sorts of cases.

Does he see this as being sort of a major political issue that Republicans are going to be able to push?

Because obviously I think some of us are skeptical.

What do they think in the White House about it?

Well, I mean, I think that's true, Michael.

I also think that's why, if we're asking why this is not a liver issue, the answer is if people see government programs in terms of here's the choices, either we police fraud and maybe my program goes away or we don't police fraud and my program stays, then people are going to tend toward, okay, whatever, man.

Like, okay, so that, yeah, that guy built the program, but I did get my Medicaid check.

So, you know, as long as we're spending- I'm a tea partier, hands off my Medicare.

Yeah.

Exactly.

I mean, like that, that attitude is quite prevalent.

But I think that it means that it's never going to be the livest issue until you get back.

So that's fine.