Michael Leonard

For instance, they may believe this detective

from other experiences with him is highly credible and well thought of.

They may believe that the evidence in his case was strong.

They may actually believe that.

So just on my side of the bar, from the defense lawyer standpoint, you know, I'll have a case where I absolutely believe my client is either innocent or not guilty.

And, you know, sometimes, you know, I just had a case, for instance, in January of this year, 2023 in federal court, two week trial,

We won, got the not guilty, and I was talking to some people who were affiliated with some of the agents who testified at the case,

And they were a thousand percent sure my client was guilty.

They were like taking shots at us and the arguments we're making as if we were off base and this person was a hundred percent guilty.

So, you know, it's weird how you get entrenched on your side, whoever you're representing, and you really do become very invested because you really do believe it to be true, right?

In this case, we never know the truth.

We know what we think happened, right?

or suspect, but we never really know.

And you find that both sides can have really, really strong attachments to a case which can never really be shaken.

I would agree with you.

Yeah, it's funny because as I was kind of wrapping up the last one, I was thinking, God darn it, I'm going to have to go and agree with Jack again, you know, because you were on and your insights on all the issues were right.

It's kind of how they get framed in our court system when there's an injustice.

The things you were hitting upon are really kind of the Achilles heels sometimes in cases.

I do want to take the last minute of your show, though, to alienate all your listeners in Australia.

Can we do that for a minute?