Michael Leonard

You said it yourself in one of the episodes.

If it wasn't so sad, it'd be laughable, because it really is.

I mean, you couldn't create a case with more holes

If you fed this to a bunch of law students and had them dissect it, it would be kind of a hallmark of every problem we have in our system.

Every issue that leads to a wrongful conviction is present in this case.

Well, it's a good question.

I mean, that sometimes happens in cases where and there's been really well documented instances of this.

There was actually a really good podcast about a detective in New York.

who engaged in wrongful conduct over a period of years, over decades.

And once they kind of, when the first case fell and they understood, you know, what was going on here, then like dominoes, all these other convictions fell.

So it really would take a lot of work, Jack, on your behalf and probably an entire new podcast series.

But it'd be really interesting to look at that detective's cases historically.

Did he use the same informants?

Was there any sort of pattern of, you know, did he ever use hypnosis again?

I mean, it really raises what we would call a big kettle of fish here.

Yeah.

On the other hand, a reviewing court is not necessarily thinking that way.

The court that denied his appeal, apparently, I think that was a state court.

And I don't know whether they've had that thought process.

But look, there's all sorts of interesting things that go on in the system.