Michael Leonard

They heard this evidence, sometimes a long trial, sometimes complex stuff.

And when you win, when you get the not guilty, you definitely say to yourself, wow, this system really does work.

This was really a fascinating one.

I'm just really hopeful that

if you're right.

And he was before that federal pal court that, wow, it sounded like you would have a good chance of a vacated conviction, new trial.

And I can't imagine this case is ever going to go to trial again.

That's for sure.

Especially after the amount of time he served.

Yeah.

But, but let's touch upon one other thing if we can.

So two huge failures here, uh,

You know, the reviewing court you talked about where the judge, you know, really wasn't interested in concerning considering the newly discovered evidence.

And then the second appeal that's pending right now, okay, both those cases have prosecutor's offices involved.

So the appeal that he talked to you about where the judge was apparently disinterested and dismissive, there was a group of prosecutors assigned to that case, okay?

Their job in our system is to do justice, okay?

That sounds high-minded, but that's true.

They're actually owe an obligation to the court

and to everybody involved in the system to do justice, meaning if they don't believe and the evidence doesn't support a conviction, it's their job to tell the court, look,

You know, it wasn't us, but we have grave concerns.