Michael Levin

We had to use AI to make a more of a space out of it.

And, and there was zero consensus about what actually is important, you know, uh, and, uh,

If we're not good at recognizing it here, I just don't see how we're going to be good at recognizing it somewhere else.

I would be very excited about it because it would give us some more unconventional embodiments to think about, right?

A data point that's pretty far away from our existing data points, at least in the solar system.

So that'd be cool.

I'd be very excited about it.

But I must admit that my...

my level of, uh, my, my set point for surprise has been pushed so high at this point that it would have to, you know, it would have to be something really weird to, to make me shocked.

I mean, I, the, the things that we see every day is just, uh, yeah.

Yeah, well, the kind of background to this is simply that

I've had a lot of weird ideas for many, many decades.

And my general policy is not to talk about stuff until it becomes actionable.

And the amazing thing, I mean, I'm really kind of shocked, is that in my lifetime, the empirical work, like, I really didn't think we would get this far.

And the knob, I have this like mental knob of what percentage of the weird things I think do I actually say in public, right?

And every few years when the empirical work moves forward, I sort of turn that knob a little, right, as we keep going.

So I have no idea if we'll continue to be that fortunate or how long I can keep doing this or however, like, I don't know.

But just to give you...

just to give you a direction for it, it's going to be in the direction of what kinds of things do we need to take seriously as other beings with which to relate to.

So I've already pushed it, you know, so like we knew brainy things and then we said, well, it's not just brains.