Michael Levin

And then we said, well,

It's not just so, you know, it's not just in physical space and it's not just biologicals and it's not just complexity.

There's a couple of other steps to take that I'm pretty sure are there, but we're going to have to do the actual work to make it actionable before, you know, before we really talk about it.

So that direction.

Well, the mental part is a lot of it, much like, funny enough, much like making xenobots.

You know, we make xenobots by releasing constraints, right?

We don't do anything to them.

We just release them from the constraints they already have.

And then we say...

so a lot of it is releasing the constraints that mentally have been placed on us.

And, and part of it is my, my education has been a little weird because I was a computer scientist first and, and only later biology.

And so by the time I heard all the biology things that we typically just take on board, I was already a little skeptical and thinking a little differently, but, um,

a lot of it comes from releasing constraints.

And I very specifically think about, okay, this is what we know.

What would things look like if we were wrong?

Or what would it look like if I was wrong?

What are we missing?

What is our worldview specifically not able to see, right?

Whatever model I have.

Or another way I often think is,