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Michael Levin

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

Now, now you say, OK, I had one egg and one embryo and there you go.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

What else could it be?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

Well, the reality is and I used to I did all of this as a grad student.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

If you if you take a little needle and you make a scratch in that blastoderm in that in that disc such that the cells can't talk to each other for a while, it heals up.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

But for a while, they can't talk to each other.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

What will happen is that both regions.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

will decide that they can be the embryo and there will be two of them.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

And then when they heal up, they become conjoint twins and you can make two, you can make three, you can make lots.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

So the question of how many selves are in there cannot be answered until it's actually played all the way through.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

It isn't necessarily that there's just one.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

There can be many.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

So what you have is you have this medium, this undifferentiated โ€“ I'm sure there's a psychological version of this somewhere that I don't know the proper terminology โ€“ but you have this ocean of potentiality.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

You have these thousands of cells and some number of individuals are going to be formed out of it, usually one, sometimes zero, sometimes several.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

And they form out of these cells because a region of these cells organizes into a collective that will have goals, goals that individual cells don't have.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

For example, make a limb, make an eye.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

How many eyes?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

Well, exactly two.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

So individual cells don't know what an eye is.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

They don't know how many eyes you're supposed to have, but the collective does.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

The collective has goals and memories and anticipations that the individual cells don't.