Michael Levin

We have this sort of blind, like a hill climbing search, and then we have a really smart team of engineers.

Which one do you think is going to produce a system that has good intelligence?

I think it's really weird to say that it only comes from the blind search, right?

It can't be done by people who, by the way, can also use evolutionary techniques if they want to, but also rational design.

I think it's really weird to say that real intelligence only comes from natural evolution.

So I hope you're right.

I hope people take it the other way.

I think there's actually really cheap systems that can, that can illustrate that kind of thing, which is even like, you know, fractals, right?

Like you have a very small, short formula in Z and you see it and there's no magic.

You're just going to crank through, you know, Z squared plus C, whatever.

You're just going to crank through it.

But the result of it is this incredibly rich, beautiful image, right?

That, that just like, wow, all of that was in this like 10 character long string, like amazing.

So it's,

The fact that you can you can know everything there is to know about the details and the process and all the parts and everything like there's literally no magic of any kind there.

And yet the outcome is something that you would never have expected.

And it's just it just, you know, is incredibly rich and complex and beautiful.

So there's a lot of that.

Yeah, I think like, and I'm certainly not the only person who works in unconventional cognition.

Yeah, that's one that I so I've coined a number of weird terms, but that's not one of mine like that.