Michael Levin

That's an existing thing.

So so, for example, somebody like Andy Adamatsky, who I don't know if you've if you've had him on, if you haven't, you should.

He's a he's a he's a very interesting guy.

He's a computer scientist and he does unconventional cognition and slime molds and all kinds of weird.

He's a real weird, weird cat.

Really interesting.

Anyway, so so that's a bunch of terms that I've come up with, but that's not one of mine.

So anyway.

I think like many terms, that one is really defined by the times, meaning that things that are unconventional cognition today are not going to be considered unconventional cognition at some point.

It's one of those things.

And so...

It's, you know, it's this really deep question of how do you recognize, communicate with, classify cognition when you cannot rely on the typical milestones, right?

So typical, you know, again, if you stick with the history of life on Earth, like these exact model systems, you would say, ah, here's a particular structure of the brain, and this one has fewer of those, and this one has a bigger frontal cortex, and this one...

These are landmarks that we're used to, and it allows us to make very rapid judgments about things.

But if you can't rely on that, either because you're looking at a synthetic thing or an engineered thing or an alien thing, then what do you do?

That's what I'm really interested in.

I'm interested in mind in all of its possible implementations, not just the obvious ones that we know from looking at brains here on Earth.

It's a really, really interesting line of investigation that that opens up.

I mean, we've thought about this.

So you need a few things.