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Michael Levin

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

and you say, Hey, why does it have certain forms of behavior, certain forms of anatomy, certain forms of physiology?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

Why does it have those?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

The answer is very, is always the same.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

Well, there's a history of evolutionary selection and there's a long, long history going, going back of adaptation and there are certain environments and this is what survived.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

And so that's why it has.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

So what I, what I wanted to do was, was break out of that mold and to,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

to basically force us as a community to dig deeper into where these things come from.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

And that means taking away the crutch where you just say, well, it's evolutionary selection.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

That's why it looks like that.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

So in order to do that, we have to make artificial synthetic beings.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

Now, to be clear, we are starting with living cells.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

So it's not that they had no evolutionary history.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

The cells do.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

They had evolutionary history in frogs or humans or whatever.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

But the creatures they make and the capabilities that these creatures have were never directly selected for.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

And in fact, they never existed.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

So you can't tell the same kind of story.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

And what I mean is we can take epithelial cells off of an early frog embryo and we don't change the DNA, no synthetic biology circuits, no material scaffolds, no nanomaterials, no weird drugs, none of that.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

What we're mostly doing is liberating them from the

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

instructive influences of the rest of the cells that they were in in their bodies and so when you do that right normally these cells are bullied by their neighboring cells into having a very boring life they become a two-dimensional outer covering for the for the embryo and they keep out the bacteria and that's that so you might ask well what are these cells capable of when you take them away from that influence so when you do that they form another little um