Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
So in vitro, if you plate some neurons and you put a big scratch through it so you damage them, anthrobots can sit down and they will spontaneously, without us having to teach them to do it, they will spontaneously try to knit the neurons across.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
So this is an anthrobot.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
So often when I give talks about this, I show people this video and I say, what do you think this is?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
And people will say, well, it looks like some primitive organism you got from the bottom of a pond somewhere.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
And I'll say, well, what do you think the genome would look like?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
And is it, well, the genome would look like some primitive creature, right?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
If you sequence that thing, you'll get a hundred percent homo sapiens.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
And that doesn't look like any stage of normal human development.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
It doesn't act like any stage of human development.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
It has the ability to move around.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
It has, as I said, over 9,000 differential gene expressions.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
Also, interestingly, it is younger than the cells that it comes from.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
So it actually has the ability to roll back its age.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
And we could talk about that and what the implications of that are.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
But to go back to your original question, what we're doing with these kinds of systems.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
We're trying to talk to it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
That's exactly right.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
And not just to this, we're trying to talk to molecular networks.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
So we found a couple of years ago, we found that gene regulatory networks, nevermind the cells, but the molecular pathways inside of cells can have several different kinds of learning, including Pavlovian conditioning.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 β Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
And what we're doing now is trying to talk to it.