Michael Levin

They often do a little bit of niche construction.

So they change the actual brain to have, to make it easier to have more of those thoughts, right?

Like that's a, that's a thing.

And so they, they, they stay around longer.

Now, uh,

what's what's further than that well fragments personality fragments of a dissociative personality disorder they're more more stable and they're not just on autopilot they have goals and they can do things and then past that is a full-blown human personality and who the hell knows what's past that maybe some sort of transhuman you know transpersonal like i don't know right but but this idea again i'm back to this notion of a spectrum it's

there is not a sharp distinction between, you know, we are real agents and then we have these thoughts.

Yeah, patterns can be agents too, but again, you don't know until you do the experiment.

So if you want to know whether a soliton or a hurricane or a thought within a cognitive system is its own agent,

Do the experiment.

See what it can do.

Does it can it learn from experience?

Does it have memories?

Does it have goal states?

Does it you know, what can it do?

Right.

Does it have language?

So so coming back to then during the original question.

Yeah, we can definitely apply this methodology to ideas and concepts and social, you know, whatever's.

But you've got to do the experiment.