Michael Levin

his, that classical world was already haunted by patterns from outside that world.

That's this, this should be like, this is, this is, this is wild.

This is, this is not saying that, okay, everything was, was cool.

Physicalism was great up until, you know, maybe we got quantum interfaces or we got, you know, consciousness or whatever, but, but originally it was fine.

No, this is saying that it was that, that worldview was already, uh,

impossible really for since from from a very long time ago we already knew that there are non-physical properties that matter in the physical world this is a chicken or the egg question you're saying newton's laws are creating the physical world

That is a very deep follow-on question that we'll come back to in a minute.

All I was saying about Newton is that you don't need quantum anything.

You don't need to think about consciousness.

You already, long before you got to any of that, as Pythagoras, I think, knew...

Already, we have the idea that this physical world is being strongly impacted by truths that do not live in the physical world.

Mathematical facts.

So, for example, the actual value of E.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, some of them are, you know, I mean, if you ask Don Hoffman, there's this like amplituhedron thing that is a set of mathematical objects that determines all the scattering amplitudes of the particles and whatever.

They don't have to be simple.

I mean, the old ones were simple.

Now they're like crazy.

I can't imagine this amplituhedron thing, but maybe they can.