Michael Levin

Nobody's creating consciousness.

What you create is an interface, a physical interface, through which specific...

patterns, which we call kinds of minds, are going to ingress, right?

And consciousness is what it looks like from that direction looking out into the world.

It's what we call the view from the perspective of the Platonic patterns.

A thin client.

Yeah, the brain is a thin client, yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

A couple of things.

First of all, when you said it makes sense for physics, I want to show that it's not as simple as it sounds because what it means is that even in Newton's

boring sort of classical universe, long before quantum anything.

Newton's world, physicalism was already dead in Newton's world.

I mean, think about what that means.

This is nuts.

Because already he knew perfectly well, I mean, Pythagoras and Plato knew that even in a totally classical deterministic world,

Already you have the ingression of information that determines what happens and what's possible and what's not possible in that world from a space that is itself not physical.

In other words, it's something like the natural logarithm E, right?

Nothing in Newton's world is set to the value of E. There is nothing you could do to set the value of E in that world.

And yet that fact that it was that and not something else governed all sorts of properties of things that happened.