Michael Moynihan

They were six years old in 2011.

They were six years old in 2011.

We know that torture exists and has existed throughout humanity and adults do it. I just don't have any frame of reference for children doing it. So it must be a pretty surprising thing when you see that.

We know that torture exists and has existed throughout humanity and adults do it. I just don't have any frame of reference for children doing it. So it must be a pretty surprising thing when you see that.

We know that torture exists and has existed throughout humanity and adults do it. I just don't have any frame of reference for children doing it. So it must be a pretty surprising thing when you see that.

Is it so deranging in the sense that you're in a dark cell and you don't know when you're gonna be pulled out and tortured and beaten, and you don't know when, if ever, or how it will end, that you start kind of thinking of these things you know, the way that they want you to think about them. Because it's the only kind of reference that you have to anything, right?

Is it so deranging in the sense that you're in a dark cell and you don't know when you're gonna be pulled out and tortured and beaten, and you don't know when, if ever, or how it will end, that you start kind of thinking of these things you know, the way that they want you to think about them. Because it's the only kind of reference that you have to anything, right?

Is it so deranging in the sense that you're in a dark cell and you don't know when you're gonna be pulled out and tortured and beaten, and you don't know when, if ever, or how it will end, that you start kind of thinking of these things you know, the way that they want you to think about them. Because it's the only kind of reference that you have to anything, right?

Was any of that real? I mean, did you develop any affection in some kind of twisted way because that's the only affection you can develop in a situation like that?

Was any of that real? I mean, did you develop any affection in some kind of twisted way because that's the only affection you can develop in a situation like that?

Was any of that real? I mean, did you develop any affection in some kind of twisted way because that's the only affection you can develop in a situation like that?

Yes, yes.

Yes, yes.

Yes, yes.

You talk to... I talk to these people because... The ones that tortured you and imprisoned you.

You talk to... I talk to these people because... The ones that tortured you and imprisoned you.

You talk to... I talk to these people because... The ones that tortured you and imprisoned you.

By the way, you know, this jihad- In an interest in them personally or just in a journalistic way? Both. Okay, both.

By the way, you know, this jihad- In an interest in them personally or just in a journalistic way? Both. Okay, both.

By the way, you know, this jihad- In an interest in them personally or just in a journalistic way? Both. Okay, both.