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Michael Pollan

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The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Attentional liberation movements.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

The Friends of Attention being a good example of this.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

It just came out with a new book.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And I've met people creating schools on this.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And there is, in an interesting way, burbling around a kind of sense that attentional freedom exists.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

is an increasingly political and structural question.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I think we see it fairly clearly with our kids, but I think we know it with ourselves too.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And it's very hard to think about how to create a coherent politics around it and activism around it.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And also nothing is more fundamental, including to how politics works, than what kind of attention you're cultivating in a society.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Attention as a collective resources, I think is a underplayed frame for this.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Attention is a collective capacity that is being exhausted by people like Trump, by certain ways the media and algorithmic media works.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

A society with a more irritable, distracted, and diminished capacity for attention is going to be politically affected.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

different than a society with a healthier form of it.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Yeah, this is Reed Hastings years ago who said our primary competitor is sleep.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Yeah.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I particularly loved the coda, the final chapter.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

You go spend time with Joan Halifax, a great Zen teacher.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And she has a line in there that, coming as it does at the end of this very heady book, she says that she has divested herself from all meaning.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And you go to talk to her,

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And she basically sends you to a cave and puts off talking to you.