Michael Pollan

Tell me a bit about that experience and also what you took from that extremely Zen form of teaching that you were gifted.

the way this book has a quality of you read it and maybe you know less but it adds wonder yeah and it made me think as i was going through different theories you know integrated information processing or whatever it's called how sad i'd be if any of them were true if you could prove to me the global workspace theory was the truth of consciousness

If you could prove to me consciousness evolved and all the things I think are a byproduct of an evolutionary process for reducing uncertainty, I would hate it.

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Consciousness is under siege.

I think that it's the last frontier for some of these companies that want to sell our time.

And of course, our time is our mind time.

Thank you, Terry.

It's very good to be back.

Yeah.

So anybody who uses psychedelics, I think, sooner or later starts thinking about consciousness.

I mean, I had thought about it at another point in my life, but for most of my life, I kind of went through it regarding consciousness as just kind of the water we swim in, you know, totally transparent.

But when I did these experiments with psychedelics for how to change your mind, something interesting shifted.