Michael Pollan

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But other rules I came up with, if there are more than five ingredients, I mean, it's kind of an arbitrary number, but ultra processed food has a long list of ingredients.

If there are ingredients that a normal person doesn't keep in their pantry, like, you know, maltodextrin, nobody has that.

Nobody knows what it is.

That's to be avoided.

If it has ingredients your third grader can't pronounce, that should be avoided.

The way I define ultra-processed food is foods you need a factory to make that contain ingredients no normal person has in their pantry.

That's a very folk definition, but I think it's helpful.

My overall advice after studying nutrition for many decades is so simple and I'm often asked, what would you change?

It's simply eat food, by which I mean real food, food as we've understood it for tens of thousands of years.

Not too much and mostly plants.

I think the only thing I might change in that is I think fermented foods are very important.

I think we're learning that.

Among those plant foods, some should be fermented.

The mostly plants is what pisses off people on both sides of the vegetarian divide.

Vegans and vegetarians are like, why not all plants?

Carnivores are like, the nerve, he doesn't mention meat.

But I think that mostly has a lot of wisdom in it.

There's nothing evil about meat.

Meat is a nutritious food.