Michael Pollan

But it's also, why did we decide that cooking was such a chore?

I mean, it can be a great pleasure also.

Part of it was the industry convinced us it was a chore and it was really hard.

So that's one strategy.

It's some of the favorite time of the day.

My wife and I cook together.

We have an island in the middle of the kitchen.

and we divvy up the chores.

She'll make the main or the side and vice versa.

We catch up on our day and it's a great pleasure.

My son doesn't think of cooking as gendered at all.

He grew up in a household where both parents were cooking and we required him to contribute to the meal that do something.

It could just be like mince a clove of garlic or wash the salad or something, but he had to do something no matter how busy he was to contribute to the meal.

And that's also, you know, we have to think about our kids and what habits we're teaching them around food.

I've thought about that a lot.

So I wrote a series of food rules that I published as a book called Food Rules to help people identify what food they should be eating.

And what I was getting at with like, don't eat any foods your grandmother or great grandmother wouldn't recognize is that traditional diets are almost all healthy.

They've been designed over time to give people what they need.

And whether it's the Mediterranean diet or even the traditional American diet or UK diet, these traditional diets are better than ultra-processed foods.

So if your grandmother or great-grandmother doesn't recognize it as food,