Michael Pollan

them kind of interesting because they are saying something about what the person is thinking about or ruminating on or dealing with.

Yeah, definitely.

Definitely, because, yeah, people were talking about it, and it didn't feel like this honestly illicit thing.

It was like, oh, smart people are doing this.

Dax had been trying to convince me to do it for a really long time and trying to send me science, and I was like, I don't.

care about that i don't i don't trust you you're an ex-drug addict why would i listen yeah exactly like these are the people trying to get you to do it so yeah it did legitimize it but also you just corrected something because when we were starting i'm not going to tell you what happened because we just said that's boring but during the trip i was starting to panic and dax did say no one's ever died doing very helpful yeah very helpful

It did help, but I guess it was a lie.

You get to choose whether this is an enjoyable experience or a miserable one.

That's such a life lesson.

You get to choose.

When you say that evolutionarily, obviously it's beneficial for us to have conscience, but was there ever anyone that didn't?

I mean, like, we didn't evolve to have it, right?

So heady.

I mean, we don't know.

And when you start poking holes, you run the risk of getting pushed out of society.

Yeah.

And our consciousness is based on our experience, but also our parents' experience and their parents and our friends.

Ultimately, if you start doing that, they are all linked.

Yeah.

If you really start expanding.