Michael Pollan

Yeah, I mean, people, you know, people, the term recreational is regarded as a negative. I mean, to recreate ourselves doesn't seem that bad. But yeah, there are people who are just doing it for thrills, going to concerts.

Yeah, it does change consciousness. But the set and setting are very important. So the context in which you do it, you know, if you do it to go to a Grateful Dead concert, it's one thing. If you do it in a room, the way psychedelic therapy is done is you're lying down, you're on a couch, you're wearing eye shades, you're listening to music. It's a very internal journey.

Yeah, it does change consciousness. But the set and setting are very important. So the context in which you do it, you know, if you do it to go to a Grateful Dead concert, it's one thing. If you do it in a room, the way psychedelic therapy is done is you're lying down, you're on a couch, you're wearing eye shades, you're listening to music. It's a very internal journey.

Yeah, it does change consciousness. But the set and setting are very important. So the context in which you do it, you know, if you do it to go to a Grateful Dead concert, it's one thing. If you do it in a room, the way psychedelic therapy is done is you're lying down, you're on a couch, you're wearing eye shades, you're listening to music. It's a very internal journey.

It's very different than kids taking mushrooms and walking in the woods where it's all about the sensory thrills.

It's very different than kids taking mushrooms and walking in the woods where it's all about the sensory thrills.

It's very different than kids taking mushrooms and walking in the woods where it's all about the sensory thrills.

It's a completely different experience.

It's a completely different experience.

It's a completely different experience.

Right. And the guide is really important.

Right. And the guide is really important.

Right. And the guide is really important.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I was scared for a lot of reasons. One was would I discover some deep, dark secret about myself? Because people do discover traumas that they're not looking for. Yes. That definitely comes up.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I was scared for a lot of reasons. One was would I discover some deep, dark secret about myself? Because people do discover traumas that they're not looking for. Yes. That definitely comes up.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I was scared for a lot of reasons. One was would I discover some deep, dark secret about myself? Because people do discover traumas that they're not looking for. Yes. That definitely comes up.

I was.

I was.

I was.

Yeah. But I also found that doing it with a guide creates this safe envelope, this container in which you can really let go.