Michael Pollan

I know. Well, because I thought to be spiritual meant believing in the supernatural. And I was, you know, not. I was very grounded. You know, I had a very material view of reality. But I realized that was wrong, that you can be spiritual without believing in the supernatural. And that the essence of spiritual... is connection, deep, profound connection with something other than yourself.

I know. Well, because I thought to be spiritual meant believing in the supernatural. And I was, you know, not. I was very grounded. You know, I had a very material view of reality. But I realized that was wrong, that you can be spiritual without believing in the supernatural. And that the essence of spiritual... is connection, deep, profound connection with something other than yourself.

I know. Well, because I thought to be spiritual meant believing in the supernatural. And I was, you know, not. I was very grounded. You know, I had a very material view of reality. But I realized that was wrong, that you can be spiritual without believing in the supernatural. And that the essence of spiritual... is connection, deep, profound connection with something other than yourself.

And so when I redefine it that way, yeah, these were powerful spiritual experiences. And I came to understand the opposite of spiritual is not material or materialistic. The opposite of spiritual is egotistical.

And so when I redefine it that way, yeah, these were powerful spiritual experiences. And I came to understand the opposite of spiritual is not material or materialistic. The opposite of spiritual is egotistical.

And so when I redefine it that way, yeah, these were powerful spiritual experiences. And I came to understand the opposite of spiritual is not material or materialistic. The opposite of spiritual is egotistical.

That is so darn true. It is the ego that stands in the way of our spiritual development.

That is so darn true. It is the ego that stands in the way of our spiritual development.

That is so darn true. It is the ego that stands in the way of our spiritual development.

There's a reason we have all these egos. You know, it gets books written. It gets TV shows produced. Yes. But it also gets in the way of connecting to others.

There's a reason we have all these egos. You know, it gets books written. It gets TV shows produced. Yes. But it also gets in the way of connecting to others.

There's a reason we have all these egos. You know, it gets books written. It gets TV shows produced. Yes. But it also gets in the way of connecting to others.

I think people do it through meditation.

I think people do it through meditation.

I think people do it through meditation.

I think psychedelics in some way are a shortcut. A lot of people have trouble meditating. They're not sure they're doing it right. They can't. They can't.

I think psychedelics in some way are a shortcut. A lot of people have trouble meditating. They're not sure they're doing it right. They can't. They can't.

I think psychedelics in some way are a shortcut. A lot of people have trouble meditating. They're not sure they're doing it right. They can't. They can't.

That's right. Or if you have OCD, you're going to have intrusive thoughts when you're meditating. So I think it kind of breaks people through to a place where they can meditate successfully, but without question. And people have had these mystical, spiritual experiences without drugs. Experiences of nature can do it. Experiences of art can do it.

That's right. Or if you have OCD, you're going to have intrusive thoughts when you're meditating. So I think it kind of breaks people through to a place where they can meditate successfully, but without question. And people have had these mystical, spiritual experiences without drugs. Experiences of nature can do it. Experiences of art can do it.