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The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
So, I'm going to back up a little bit to make sense of this idea.
The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
One of the big questions is your brain...
The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
at least 90% of what it's doing, you're not aware of.
The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
It's doing all this work, monitoring your body, maintaining homeostasis, perceiving things in your environment without you being consciously aware of it.
The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
Peripheral vision, smell, scent, touch, all these kinds of things, temperature.
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The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
So the question then becomes, if this automatic machine is so good at what it does, why does any of it become conscious?
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The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
That's part of the hard problem of consciousness.
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The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
Why aren't we just zombies?
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The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
Wouldn't that have been simpler?
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The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
The reasons, and to some extent these are evolutionary, just those stories, but they're persuasive, that basically you can automate things until you get to a level of complexity.
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The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
For us, it's our social lives.
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The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
The fact that we are fundamentally social beings, absolutely dependent on other people.
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The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
With a long period of complete dependence for babies and children compared to other species, social life cannot be automated.
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The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
It's just too complex.
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The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
So you need to be able to anticipate what I'm likely to say, how a remark is going to land.
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The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
We call it theory of mind, this idea that we can imagine our way into other people, basis of compassion and things like that.
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The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
So once we entered this realm of great complexity, automating our responses just wasn't going to work.
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The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
And the creatures that had consciousness that could imagine what was going on in another human's head did better than people who didn't and failed to imagine what was going on in someone else's head.
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The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
I find that a pretty persuasive theory.
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The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness
Yeah.