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Michael Pollan

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The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I think you could make a case that young children are more conscious than we are.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Yeah.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And which is a kind of interesting thing that we prune consciousness down the way we're pruning so many things in the brain as we age.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

But this idea of lantern versus spotlight consciousness, I found very powerful.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I learned it from Alison Gopnik, who's a child psychologist, developmental psychologist at Berkeley.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And she gave me a lot of good advice as I was embarking on this.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

The first was...

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Never forget that the kinds of people working on these questions about consciousness are not typical in their consciousness.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

These are people who can sit in a chair for a really long time, read books for a really long time, think out problems.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

They have an extreme version of spotlight consciousness, which she calls professor consciousness.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

That was very helpful.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

She contrasts this with children's consciousness, which she calls lantern consciousness.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

So instead of having that one degree of attention focused on some object, they're taking in information from all 360 degrees.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

It seems very undisciplined, very unfocused.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

You find it when kids get to school.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Some kids can sit there and do it, and a lot of kids can't because they're still taking in information from all these sides.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

It's interesting, it allows them to solve problems that adults can't solve.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

They think outside the box, they have more divergent thinking.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Then as time goes on, we narrow our focus.

The Book Review
The Ezra Klein Show: Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

It allows us to get a lot done.