Michael Pollan

And that was an alert to my mind to start paying attention.

Well, what am I trying to pay attention to?

I see this all the time in the podcast.

My body has reactions to things that are going on, and then my mind has to interpret why that is happening.

And the body is smarter about things, and the mind, which I created the questions document I walked in here with, is.

But it's such a strange experience that something just happened in my chest and my hands that

that told me my body thinks this part of the conversation was good and to put it into my brain so I could write a little note to come back to it later.

I think if somebody...

was to go out into self-improvement podcast world or a school or anything.

And their fundamental question was, how do I get smarter?

How am I more intelligent?

The answer you basically get has to do with training your mind, studying, reading more, journaling in the morning, whatever it might be.

And there's actually very, very little about deepening the connection between your mind and your body, right?

As I have gotten older and as my work has become more creative, I think, I've come to think it's a huge mistake that a huge amount of just what I've had to get better at over the years is paying attention to my body.

such that then my mind can do something with these signals that are not always easily interpretable, but have some intelligence that I don't feel like I am in control of, and it's quite deep.

I like that as a hypothesis.

I'll be hearing from some of them.

I want to pick up on something you said in there about the sequencing, about how feelings often precede thoughts.

There's a great piece of research you bring up

that is research done on meditators who are asked to note when they're interrupted in their meditation by a thought.