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Michael Pollan

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The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I actually find this to be a problem with meditation for me, which is that there's a lot of meditation that is about open awareness or trying to watch things happen non-judgmentally.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

But the very act of having awareness...

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

is very clearly changing what is happening in my brain.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

So the more awareness I have, the more my brain feels slightly, or my mind feels somewhat controlled.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And the less awareness I have, the more I'm gonna get these sort of little wisps of mentation.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Well, I guess one of my deep and fundamental questions about being a human being is why I attend to what I attend to.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

If I could go and talk to the algorithm in my mind in the way that increasingly you can go tell Claude how it is you want Claude to act, I would change the algorithm.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I would worry less about interpersonal conflict in my life.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I would spend a lot less time thinking about whether or not people are mad at me.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

But there is some process by which I hate the term global workspace theory as a description of what is going on in the mind.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

It's so bloodless and built on personal computers in 1998.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Yeah.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

But that idea that things are competing...

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And somehow or another, some part of my mind is running some kind of process to decide what comes into the spotlight of attention.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And if it's really shocking, there's a car accident next to me or... Yeah, there's shortcuts.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Yeah, like all of a sudden it'll move me there entirely.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

But moment to moment, there's some kind of competition and what comes up...

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I can be aware of it, but the more aware I am of it, the less in control that I feel, which is one of the great and slightly terrifying lessons of meditation.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And so that question of the unconscious doesn't seem mild to me.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

That is the factory question.