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So I live very close to Silicon Valley here in Berkeley, and it is a consensus opinion of the people who work in that world that AI, artificial intelligences, can be conscious.
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They base this on a premise, and it's a huge premise that I don't think we should accept.
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The premise is, as you described, that basically the brain is a computer.
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And that consciousness is software.
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And if you can run it on the brain, which is essentially, in their view, a meat-based computer, you should be able to run it on other substrates, other kinds of machines.
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So it's just a matter of figuring out the algorithm of consciousness.
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Now, there are a couple problems with this, in my view.
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I don't think the brain is a computer.
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If you look back in history, you find that whatever the cool, new, state-of-the-art, cutting-edge technology was, it was likened to the brain.
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That became the metaphor.
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So at a certain point, it was the clock.
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It's been looms, mills, telephone switchboards, and now it's computers.
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There's a computer scientist who once said, the price of metaphor is eternal vigilance.
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Just because something is a metaphor doesn't mean that they're equal in any way.
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And I don't think people have been very vigilant about this metaphor.
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And they use language.
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They talk to us in our language.
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So it's not hard to anthropomorphize computers or chatbots.
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But I just want to pick apart that metaphor for a minute because I think it's really important to get right.
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First of all, computers have a sharp distinction between hardware and software.