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Michael Pollan

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Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

You can run the same program on any number of different computers that are essentially interchangeable.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

In the brain, there is no distinction between hardware and software.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

Every memory you have is a physical pattern of connections between neurons.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

Every experience you have physically changes your brain.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

Your brain is different than mine because you had a different experience growing up.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

So the idea that you could simply interchange this substrate and run consciousness on it fails for that reason.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

But I think the bigger problem I have with it is that, you know, it's true that simulated thought, such as a computer can handle, is real thought.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

But it isn't clear that simulated feeling is ever going to be real feeling.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

Right.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

And it appears the science that I look at in some depth here suggests that feelings are the origin of consciousness.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

It doesn't begin with thought.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

It begins with the body talking to the brain about what's going right or what's going wrong.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

And feelings are very different than thoughts.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

They have a different kind of weight.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

And it's hard to imagine computers ever feeling in a meaningful way.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

They might be able to simulate it.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

But if you think about it, your feelings are very tied to your vulnerability, to your having a body that can be hurt.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

to the ability to suffer, and perhaps your mortality.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

So I think that any feelings that a chatbot reports will be weightless, meaningless, because they don't have bodies.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

They can't suffer.