Michael Pollan

But when it's working really well, there's great pleasure in watching the, you know, the show go by and the things I wasn't expecting to think about.

Suddenly I'm in imagery and all this kind of stuff.

I do have an internal life, contrary to what that guy said.

Yeah.

Sure you do, Michael.

Yeah.

We spend a lot of time anesthetizing ourselves, and there's a kind of boredom that I think is generative that we don't experience anymore because we have all these amazing ways to fill that space.

But that space was productive in its unproductive way, and we've given that up.

So that's a space of consciousness, too, that we could easily reclaim.

I think psychedelics are one way to take control of your consciousness.

I mean, that's probably not the right verb because there's so much that's uncontrolled, but it's all you.

And I think that's one of the reasons that there's so much interest in it right now.

You're blocking out a lot during a psychedelic experience as you go inside.

So those are the kind of things, you know, I think we need to think in terms of hygiene for this great gift we have.

Well, what does hygiene mean here?

Hygiene towards what?

Well, keep it from being polluted.

Keep it clean.

Keep your consciousness from letting others dictate its contents, basically.

Well, they're very closely related.