Michael Pollan

So, you know, I think they do, and Obama understood that. And, you know, I had a little window into what was going on in his process. And it was calculated that Michelle got involved in food issues. That was not her plan. She was going to do veterans' families, I think. And it grew out of conversations that they were having with people in the food movement, not me.

So, you know, I think they do, and Obama understood that. And, you know, I had a little window into what was going on in his process. And it was calculated that Michelle got involved in food issues. That was not her plan. She was going to do veterans' families, I think. And it grew out of conversations that they were having with people in the food movement, not me.

So, you know, I think they do, and Obama understood that. And, you know, I had a little window into what was going on in his process. And it was calculated that Michelle got involved in food issues. That was not her plan. She was going to do veterans' families, I think. And it grew out of conversations that they were having with people in the food movement, not me.

But I think Obama's analysis was that there wasn't enough pressure. It was what you were talking about earlier, that he didn't feel the heat from the food movement enough. to spend the political capital. And that, you know, leaders don't really lead. I mean, they need to be pushed. And he said to people I know, he said, show me the movement and I'll move. And I think we failed to do that.

But I think Obama's analysis was that there wasn't enough pressure. It was what you were talking about earlier, that he didn't feel the heat from the food movement enough. to spend the political capital. And that, you know, leaders don't really lead. I mean, they need to be pushed. And he said to people I know, he said, show me the movement and I'll move. And I think we failed to do that.

But I think Obama's analysis was that there wasn't enough pressure. It was what you were talking about earlier, that he didn't feel the heat from the food movement enough. to spend the political capital. And that, you know, leaders don't really lead. I mean, they need to be pushed. And he said to people I know, he said, show me the movement and I'll move. And I think we failed to do that.

I don't think we're well enough organized and I don't think we've got the numbers. And so, you know, some of it's on us. But yes, we're up against a really formidable government. set of enemies.

I don't think we're well enough organized and I don't think we've got the numbers. And so, you know, some of it's on us. But yes, we're up against a really formidable government. set of enemies.

I don't think we're well enough organized and I don't think we've got the numbers. And so, you know, some of it's on us. But yes, we're up against a really formidable government. set of enemies.

Well, and the climate impact, which only recently have people begun to hear about. The fact that the food system is a huge contributor to greenhouse gas production and that in ways people don't fully understand. And, you know, you go back to the first Inconvenient Truth, you know, landmark film that Al Gore did about and really helped put climate change on the national agenda.

Well, and the climate impact, which only recently have people begun to hear about. The fact that the food system is a huge contributor to greenhouse gas production and that in ways people don't fully understand. And, you know, you go back to the first Inconvenient Truth, you know, landmark film that Al Gore did about and really helped put climate change on the national agenda.

Well, and the climate impact, which only recently have people begun to hear about. The fact that the food system is a huge contributor to greenhouse gas production and that in ways people don't fully understand. And, you know, you go back to the first Inconvenient Truth, you know, landmark film that Al Gore did about and really helped put climate change on the national agenda.

There was not a word about agriculture or food in that film. It just wasn't on anyone's radar. And now he definitely understands it. And I think everybody in the climate activism world understands it, but the public still needs to be educated about that, that the way you eat is much a part of your footprint, your environmental footprint as the kind of car you drive or how you heat your house.

There was not a word about agriculture or food in that film. It just wasn't on anyone's radar. And now he definitely understands it. And I think everybody in the climate activism world understands it, but the public still needs to be educated about that, that the way you eat is much a part of your footprint, your environmental footprint as the kind of car you drive or how you heat your house.

There was not a word about agriculture or food in that film. It just wasn't on anyone's radar. And now he definitely understands it. And I think everybody in the climate activism world understands it, but the public still needs to be educated about that, that the way you eat is much a part of your footprint, your environmental footprint as the kind of car you drive or how you heat your house.

And we have to think about it that way.

And we have to think about it that way.

And we have to think about it that way.

Well, you know, there's a history in America of pushing on issues like this. And things proceed with incredible slowness and frustration for years and years and years. And then something happens. And suddenly, history speeds up. And that's why you got to stay at it. It's really important to stay at it. And it's hard to tell when you're going to have that confluence of factors come together.

Well, you know, there's a history in America of pushing on issues like this. And things proceed with incredible slowness and frustration for years and years and years. And then something happens. And suddenly, history speeds up. And that's why you got to stay at it. It's really important to stay at it. And it's hard to tell when you're going to have that confluence of factors come together.