Michael Pollan

Well, you know, there's a history in America of pushing on issues like this. And things proceed with incredible slowness and frustration for years and years and years. And then something happens. And suddenly, history speeds up. And that's why you got to stay at it. It's really important to stay at it. And it's hard to tell when you're going to have that confluence of factors come together.

and give an issue the kind of prominence in the political debate. You know, sometimes it's a disaster. Sometimes it's, but it can be, it's very serendipitous. I mean, I've watched this with the psychedelic, you know, movement, you know, another movement I'm very involved in, you know, to bring psychedelics back into medicine. And, you know,

and give an issue the kind of prominence in the political debate. You know, sometimes it's a disaster. Sometimes it's, but it can be, it's very serendipitous. I mean, I've watched this with the psychedelic, you know, movement, you know, another movement I'm very involved in, you know, to bring psychedelics back into medicine. And, you know,

and give an issue the kind of prominence in the political debate. You know, sometimes it's a disaster. Sometimes it's, but it can be, it's very serendipitous. I mean, I've watched this with the psychedelic, you know, movement, you know, another movement I'm very involved in, you know, to bring psychedelics back into medicine. And, you know,

It's been very different than the food movement and kind of thrilling because it's been so fast. Why has it been so fast? Well, there's no opposition to speak of.

It's been very different than the food movement and kind of thrilling because it's been so fast. Why has it been so fast? Well, there's no opposition to speak of.

It's been very different than the food movement and kind of thrilling because it's been so fast. Why has it been so fast? Well, there's no opposition to speak of.

Yeah, pharma has been notably quiet. And I think they're starting to wake up and notice what's happening. They're often kind of late. But in general, it's been a good education to me on how politics works. And the strength of your opposition is a big part of it. But things can change really fast in this country. You know, we just, the last month has shown us that, how much can happen in a month.

Yeah, pharma has been notably quiet. And I think they're starting to wake up and notice what's happening. They're often kind of late. But in general, it's been a good education to me on how politics works. And the strength of your opposition is a big part of it. But things can change really fast in this country. You know, we just, the last month has shown us that, how much can happen in a month.

Yeah, pharma has been notably quiet. And I think they're starting to wake up and notice what's happening. They're often kind of late. But in general, it's been a good education to me on how politics works. And the strength of your opposition is a big part of it. But things can change really fast in this country. You know, we just, the last month has shown us that, how much can happen in a month.

It's true. It's true. So I don't think we should assume because it's an uphill slog now that it will always be that. I think that the conditions will be right. I think that the issue is ripe for the kind of attention that it needs to really move it forward. When an issue is not front and center in our politics is when the lobbyists have the most power. That's right. Because they go unnoticed.

It's true. It's true. So I don't think we should assume because it's an uphill slog now that it will always be that. I think that the conditions will be right. I think that the issue is ripe for the kind of attention that it needs to really move it forward. When an issue is not front and center in our politics is when the lobbyists have the most power. That's right. Because they go unnoticed.

It's true. It's true. So I don't think we should assume because it's an uphill slog now that it will always be that. I think that the conditions will be right. I think that the issue is ripe for the kind of attention that it needs to really move it forward. When an issue is not front and center in our politics is when the lobbyists have the most power. That's right. Because they go unnoticed.

But if we can raise the profile in the public conversation you know, that can do it. And, you know, we do have a ticket now on the democratic side with two people who really understand the importance of food and children. And, and so we should be lobbying them too.

But if we can raise the profile in the public conversation you know, that can do it. And, you know, we do have a ticket now on the democratic side with two people who really understand the importance of food and children. And, and so we should be lobbying them too.

But if we can raise the profile in the public conversation you know, that can do it. And, you know, we do have a ticket now on the democratic side with two people who really understand the importance of food and children. And, and so we should be lobbying them too.

Me too, me too.

Me too, me too.

Me too, me too.

It was more than a- But then gay marriage happened really quickly. That's right. I mean, amazingly fast. Obama got flat-footed. It was flat-footed. Biden came out and like, what are you talking about? And then months later- So yeah, history speeds up sometimes.