Michael Regilio

Wow.

Yeah.

She sounds amazing.

And from what I was reading about her, she sounds super smart and knowledgeable as well.

And she described modern tech as a high dopamine, low effort stimulus that overwhelms the brain's natural balance.

Basically, try imagining trying to quit an addictive behavior when the trigger is always in your pocket, always buzzing, always available.

Like, imagine trying to quit heroin, but everywhere you go, you have heroin with you.

Oh, don't get me started on the pitfalls of unregulated capitalism, Jordan.

Yeah, this is a whole that's a whole different episode.

Absolutely.

There has been a lot of research that pushes back against just about everything we've been talking about.

Sure.

Okay.

That's just the reality of studying something really new.

Smartphones have only been around for about 19 years.

So one of the leading voices on the smartphones aren't that bad side of the debate is Andrew Chbilsky at University of Oxford.

Now, Chbilsky's research argues that screen time shows very small, inconsistent, or in some cases, no clear association with overall well-being.

People have asked the good professor about that, and Chbilsky, he explains this by pointing out that what he calls a tech lash, basically a backlash against technology that's going on right now.

So for a while during...

He says the Arab Spring, tech was seen as a savior.