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Michael Saylor

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1883 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

That's why people are wondering, why did you actually sell equity when you're trading at three times NAV and we sold $21 billion of it?

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

It's like, why do you do that?

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

Because we made $14 billion risk-free in a matter of weeks.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

Why wouldn't you do that?

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

What's the second best way?

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

Right.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

Let's say you can't do that.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

Right.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

I mean, that trade isn't always there and eventually it dries up.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

And right now with Bitcoin treasury companies, there aren't any Bitcoin treasury companies trading a two or three times now.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

So the second best way is you buy Bitcoin with a perpetual, a variable rate, perpetual preferred stock.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

You enter into what is in essence a nearly risk free swap.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

You're going to give me a billion dollars.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

I'm going to buy a billion of Bitcoin.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

I'm going to agree to pay you a monthly dividend, currently 11%.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

I'm never giving you back the billion.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

Now, over the course of 20 years, what is the average dividend rate on stretch going to be?

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

Probably eight, right?

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

I mean, 11.5% is kind of the rate right now while Bitcoin is in a bear market and the volatility is 55 and everyone is concerned and this is a new thing.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

But don't you think after three to five years after this instrument's been in the market, the ball of Bitcoin comes off, Bitcoin appreciates?