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Michael Saylor

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1883 total appearances

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Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

So if you issue the credit, in order to actually make good on the credit, remember I said, where's the dividend coming from?

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

It's coming from the capital appreciation.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

The real brilliance of the business model

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

is you're acquiring a capital asset that you're holding in perpetuity and you're never realizing the capital gain on it.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

If you pay the dividend by remitting the unrealized capital gain back to the credit investor, the dividend becomes a return of capital dividend, which means it is also tax deferred.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

So the basic principle is I'm entering into a capital investment that I expect to hold in perpetuity, and I'm paying a dividend on the unrealized capital gains through issuing a derivative instrument that allows the credit investor to collect dividends for a decade, tax deferred,

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

And should they die and pass that credit instrument to their heir, they get a step up in the basis.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

So you could be a retiree, collect dividends for 10 years, not pay tax, pass it through to your heir.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

They get a step up and they get 10 years of dividends that are also tax deferred.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

So the thing that makes the entire structure work

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

is that you're making a capital investment for a credit investor and you're absorbing the uncertainty of the future and the volatility of the present on the balance sheet of the common equity in order to strip the risk and strip the volatility from the credit investor's portfolio.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

And the credit investor...

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

is paying you handsomely for that, right?

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

And everybody's getting what they want, right?

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

The capital investors in Bitcoin get a benefit.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

The equity investors in strategy get amplification of Bitcoin.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

And the credit investor gets that stripped down low volatility digital, you know, instrument, digital yield instrument.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

And so...

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

You don't really want to stop.

Bankless
"Fix the Money, Fix the World" โ€” Michael Saylor's Master Plan (plus questions on Quantum and Ethereum)

If someone were to give you $10 billion and you didn't buy Bitcoin, then you actually lose the 30% ARR that's paying the dividend.