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Michael Scherer

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409 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

He just had a better, clearer idea of who he could choose from.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

And he was able then to make clear to all of them who they were working for.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

I mean, he has this great litmus test because of January 6th and the disgrace with which he left the White House of who stuck around, of who was still willing to be seen with him at his worst moment, of who was still calling him after he'd done what he'd done.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

We reported that in the first term, Stephen Miller would go over to the Department of Homeland Security and say, I think you should do this idea, and everyone would walk out of the room saying, no, we're not doing that.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

That's a crazy idea.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

This time, if Stephen Miller gets on the phone with them and says, I think you should do this idea, you have to meet this benchmark of deportations this month.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

You have to go to Home Depot parking lots to pick people up.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

Kristi Noem and her deputies are sort of saying, he said, jump.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

We're going to jump as high as we can.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

That's our role.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

And I think you see that in every one of the

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

major cabinet positions.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

You see in those cabinet meetings that Trump has started holding, it's fealty to the king.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

I mean, it's very much like a royal court, and they are all answering to them, not to their own bureaucracies and their own traditions.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

And that's just radically different than the first term, where he was constantly negotiating the interests of each one of these departments, the traditions of the Defense Department, the traditions of Homeland Security, the traditions of

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

the lawyers in the Justice Department.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

He came in this time, he cleaned house, wherever he saw doubt, and literally imposed loyalty tests to replace those people.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

Yeah, I don't think that's correct.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

It's not the case that it's entirely a sort of yes-man White House.

The Ezra Klein Show
Inside Trump’s ‘Royal Court’

Now, the person we haven't yet mentioned who's the most important person in this story is Susie Wiles, his chief of staff, who stepped into the role that no one had been able to handle before, right?